February 11, 2008...11:05 am
“Barack Obama Antichrist” posts getting super-scary…
This is rapidly moving from silly to scary.
This was originally going to be a reply to a previous blog comment, but it outgrew itself. I simply cannot believe some of the ideas and arguments being expressed by certain individuals. Things were bad before, but they suddenly got worse.
For those who have just dropped by, I’d better explain briefly. Over a year ago I expressed the opinion that I liked Barack Obama’s political and religious attitude. Some wingnut mentioned that they thought he was the Antichrist and to my horror, I noticed my blog stats climbing from people searching for “Barack Obama Antichrist”. I posted some tongue-in-cheek stuff mocking this a bit, but soon realised that a lot of people actually believed it. I got two comments today though that simply terrified me. I shall post the highlights here…
Pattie says, “He is and always will be a MUSLIM. … He goes to an all black church to cover up his being a muslim… No one but blacks will ever benefit from his presidency. He will make sure whites never have power again, trust me.”
This is so unbelieveably appalling that I’m not even going to try and argue with it. I’m just greatly saddened at the fact that such views could still be held in a so-called civilised country.
Then Robin says, “barack h obama is related to osama bin ladin ya know. obama is the anti-christ. how can americans vote for a muslim after the 911 inncodent? this is a christian nation and obama wants to take that away from america, obama said this is no more a christian nation . then what nation is it? everything that is happening tells all in the king james version holy bible in revelations.obama is the anti-christ, he was born to do just what he was trained to do all his life, take over the most powerfull nation and make it vulnerable and weak for the biggest war of all time. i will note vote for a muslim due to disrespect to america and the families that lost loved ones in the 911 twin towers and flight 193 and pentagon. its a terrible shame that america is going to be in prison to the anti-christ obama. i hope there is going to be a christian assassinater. obama is the son of hell , the devil.”
Where do I start? Robin, if you check your “King James version Holy Bible” you may discover that the book is called ‘Revelation’, not in fact ‘Revelations’. If your reading of the book of Revelation is as accurate as your reading of its title, then I think we can safely discount pretty much everything else you just said.
I have no idea if Obama said America was no longer a Christian nation, but anyone who does say it is right. It ISN’T. And nor is the UK. Both countries may have a moral and legal system that was originally founded on christian principles, but in no meaningful way could either nation be viewed as Christian. In any case, what is a ‘Christian nation’ anyway? Short of everyone in the USA being converted, it never has been and never will be a Christian nation. Nations aren’t christian; individual people are.
As for THIS - “i hope there is going to be a christian assassinater.” Good grief, people! What on EARTH are you saying?? You want the man DEAD??? This is beyond a joke. What could possibly stir up such hatred in a person?
I am shocked. I am deeply concerned. And above all I am saddened that anyone, regardless of colour or creed, could possibly express such worrying thoughts, bigotry and prejudice. You want proof that America isn’t a christian nation? There it is, right there.
58 Comments
February 11, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I have a King James Bible. Perhaps Robin could explain which verses indicate that Obama is the Antichrist? Because I can’t find any.
Also, I find the whole assumption by many that the Antichrist will be a US president somewhat odd. There are other people in the world who are poweful and influential.
February 11, 2008 at 1:52 pm
We’re not all bad over here, Iain!
One thing about the internet that is both psychologically and sociologically fascinating (to me anyway) is how it gives everyone a voice, from the average Joe, to people running for President of the United States. For some of those average Joes, seeing their words permanently affixed somewhere (regardless of the fact it’s not as permanent as, say, a newspaper) is a shot at some kind of notoriety; combine that with anonymity, and you have a forum for outrageous claims that would otherwise be held back in a face-to-face encounter because of the fear of public ridicule and shame. This is why you’ll see “Obama is the Antichrist” right alongside “9-11 was an inside job”, “Hurricane Katrina could have been prevented if Bush signed the Kyoto Treaty” and all the other utter nonsense out there.
Emotion, not civil discord, reigns supreme on the internet.
(I should make a post out of my comment!)
February 11, 2008 at 1:59 pm
You know what? You should. That was a great point.
February 11, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Hey… Iain… I know you’ve probably had enough anti-Obama rhetoric. But, I read a really good piece that articulated my concerns about Obama. And it wasn’t written by an American; it’s by an Australian. Hopefully, you (and any others who might read it) will find it thoughtful, and not screw-loosey.
February 12, 2008 at 4:15 am
Believing Christians are right to distrust the rampant charisma and eerie rise to prominence of Obama! From nobody to presumed president in one year’s time? Belittle our beliefs if you will, but many of us out here are very concerned about Obama and have a lot of questions!
February 14, 2008 at 4:13 pm
I don’t understand what the shock is about. The man was raised as a Muslim, does belong to a black radical church run by ex-muslims that had anti-American and anti-Semite blurbs on its website until recently. Both of his parents had major grievances against this country. He was originally funded by George Soros who wants to radically change this country. He is endorsed by Muslims for America 08 which has a wish list of items they want from him, one of which is Sharia law. The age group 18-30 is a huge part of his success and they had better think long and hard about his promise of ‘change’. What change???…. That age group has a long way to go in life and Burka’s aren’t that attractive. I really believe the American people are stupid …. they believe all this hype and this particular hype can destroy this country as we know it forever,
February 16, 2008 at 4:38 am
So what if he really WAS a Muslim (he’s not), but so WHAT if he was?? I personally feel that his spending some time amongst Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and Confucians would be a plus in understanding them and coming to some kind of agreement on the global arena. But how much would a 6-year-old really retain of that 2 year experience? *shrug*
Hey, Mitt Romney is a Mormon, but you don’t see Black folks damning him to hell for it…not many anyway. One of my best friends at Catholic school was Hindu and no, she never converted, but she did share a little bit of her faith, mother’s cooking and Bollywood flicks with me and it enhanced my youth a great deal. Growing up in the DC area, I enjoyed meeting kids from all over the world and carried what I learned into adulthood. I have enjoyed interactions with all kinds of people from all over and it’s done nothing but make my life more interesting and well rounded.
Incidentally, the founding fathers of the US were deists, not Christians. It doesn’t say “One nation under Jesus, does it?” or “In Jesus we trust”, does it?
DOES IT?
Get a grip, people.
Jesus came to this earth, dedicated his life to spread the word of love and peace for all mankind and THAT’S how you honor him…by pointing fingers and spreading lies? tsk, tsk, tsk I’m telling Sister Mary Margaret on you and it’s your own fault if the splinters get infected!
Anyway, I like Obama a lot. I spent the summer in Canada visiting my relatives and hung my head in shame every time I had to admit I was from the states. Do you have any idea how hard that is for a veteran?
So yes, count me as one of the masses who really wants Obama to represent this country, because he’ll do so with pride, dignity and CLASS! It’s about freakin’ time! OK, Bill Clinton was doing alright for awhile until it all went to his head. *cough*
But to say that there must be something wrong with the man because the people love him is just absurd!
Although I truly believe that President Obama will be a great thing for this country on a global scale, who really gives a fuzzy rat’s ass what some random Australian thinks of OUR future president?
I’m just sayin’….
February 16, 2008 at 7:12 am
MuzeBl wrote on February 16, 2008 at 4:38 am
“So what if he really WAS a Muslim (he’s not), but so WHAT if he was?? I personally feel that his spending some time amongst Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and Confucians would be a plus in understanding them and coming to some kind of agreement on the global arena.”
Are you kidding!!!!! I am astonished by the naivete of so many in this country. Muslim’s have a jihad going on with the western world. This was not caused by President Bush, rather,it is rooted in the Muslim culture being diametrically opposed to freedom. It is based on following a strict legalese lifestyle in the hopes of gaining favor with Allah. The problem is it includes forcing others to conform to these guidelines as well, if the opportunity arises.
Christianity is based on free will. That free will must be tempered with responsibility. The western world has let a lot of that “free will” or “freedom” be exercised irresponsibly, which has led to a lot of corruption. Just like one bad apple spoiling a bushel, some of that corruption has spilled over into Muslim nations, especially easy with modern communication devices, including television and the Internet. This has led to the western world becoming the “Infidel” in the eyes of the Muslims. Jihad is Holy War with its primary purpose being to destroy the Infidel. We are the Infidel. America is the Infidel. Liberty is the Infidel. Freedom is the Infidel. I don’t know how strong of a Muslim Obama is, or even if he truly is one, but I sure am not going to risk freedom by casting a vote for him. This isn’t a “trial hiring” with a 90 day probation, this is voting for the President of the United States of America.
There are a lot of people in this country today that have a disdain for “Christians”, because they see Christians as hypocrites that try to pass moral judgments on others. If Muslim’s are in charge(over time), they will do more than “pass judgments”. It will make the Spanish Inquisition look like a picnic. One Muslim President isn’t going to make a mass conversion, but it will be a huge foot in the door, and that may be all it takes, at the end of the day.
MuzeBl wrote: “But how much would a 6-year-old really retain of that 2 year experience? *shrug*”
C’mon…please. It is widely recognized, and almost common sense, that experiences from a person’s early years are the most retained, and the most formative.
February 17, 2008 at 1:04 pm
“Muslim’s have a jihad going on with the western world. This was not caused by President Bush, rather,it is rooted in the Muslim culture being diametrically opposed to freedom. It is based on following a strict legalese lifestyle in the hopes of gaining favor with Allah. The problem is it includes forcing others to conform to these guidelines as well, if the opportunity arises.”
I really feel that you need to start doing some homework b4 you start with such generalisations! Who ever put that idea into your brain stating that Islam is opposed to freedom?? If you are going by the news, pls understand its hyped up. And if you are saying so becoz of some “burqah” issue, pls grow up!
I am a muslim and as far as I have experienced, Nothing is forced upon anyone. Islam does not canvas people to join its community. Rather, it asks you to see the world around you, to understand, to ask yourselves the very meaning of your life and live with a conscience; and if you so feel that you understand what Islam is about, then comes the part of submission to Allah. If you look at the increase in the no. of converts to Islam, you may, or maynot, undertsand what I am talking about. And pls, if you share such criminalities of Islam, I am saying with utmost humbleness that you are mistaken.
February 17, 2008 at 2:25 pm
That may the usual assortment of morons, or more insidiously, the Republican smear machine getting warmed up to attack on all fronts, including the internet blogs. Accusing him of being Muslim is just the beginning. If he is the anti- does that make Bush the Christ? Want to see the real anti-? Check out Karl Rove… He hides his horns and he and his minions whispers in the ears of good people turning them suspicious and hateful.
February 17, 2008 at 3:24 pm
i just read this blog today and all i could say was: wow, some of the things people say about Islam is just flat out distasteful, not to mention sickening. i’m a muslim, went to school in the united states, and this is just … i just lost my words there. the generalization of islam behind everything that a wronged muslim did in crime is just the same as me saying that the christians were behind the oklahoma city bombing, which of course, they’re not. honestly, i like barack obama, not gonna vote for him since i’m not eligible to vote, but if some people are judging his credibility and questioning his motive because of your concern that he might be a muslim, than maybe america is not such a free country after all. it shocks me that everybody seems to have an agenda behind him being a candidate, but to diminish his capability of becoming a leader of the free world is just like mocking the concept of the free world itself.
February 17, 2008 at 10:37 pm
wahi786 wrote “I am a muslim and as far as I have experienced, Nothing is forced upon anyone. ”
Unless you are a Woman, or an Infidel.
February 17, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Ummmmm, guys….. All this might be relevant if Barack Obama were in fact a Muslim. He isn’t. I think we need to get over that one…
February 18, 2008 at 12:33 am
paul, seriously? i’m a woman and i’m a muslim, and again, NOTHING is forced upon anyone. so get over yourself.
February 18, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Are we sure he is not a Muslim?? He has wanted the presidency for a long time and is that the reason for the so-called conversion to Christianity? If he were a true Christian, he would not belong to the church that he does and he would never be able to run and win as a Muslim. He is a motivational speaker and that’s it!!! He is not a leader and he is not giving out lot of details as to his plans for this country for a good reason. I think he is dangerous and there is something scary about him. There is no doubt that he wants to make drastic changes to this country which may not be necessarily good changes. The camel’s nose is under the tent.
February 19, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Okay. So the other day I was watching the Chris Matthews Show and he several times compared Obama to Jesus. Now, I don’t normally believe in a literal translation of Revolation, though I am a Christian, but I am also dosed up on that nice hormone cocktail women produce after just having a baby, so the comparrison did freak me out a little. A few crazy theories started flying around in my head about “What if Obama were the AntiChrist”. I knew it was just my imagination running away with me, but it did give me the heeby jeebies a little. Today at work, just for fun, I decided to google Obama, antichrist, and I was amazed at how many hits it gave. I can’t believe other people came up with this idea! I thought it was so crazy only a hormonal post partum woman could have dreamed that nonsense up.
I thought that those wacky, end of the world loving, Bible thumpers wanted the end of the world to come, so that Jesus could come again. Right? You’d think they’d be first in line to vote for Obama if they truely believed he was the antichrist. If the antichrist comes, Jesus is not far behind, so this is a good thing, right? As a Christian who loves Jesus and wants to shake his totally awesome hand as soon as humanly possible, I will be first in line to vote for Obama, just in case he really is the antichrist.
But seriously. Who cares if he’s a Muslim? Just because some Muslims have participated in terrorist acts doesn’t mean that all Muslims are terrorists. Some Christians have bombed abortion clinics, does that mean we all are going to bomb an abortion clinic? Some ministers have sexually molested children, does that mean all ministers are going to sexually molest children? Some Marines have killed fellow pregnant Marines, does that mean all Marines are going to kill fellow pregnant Marines? Certainly not. I am a Soldier, and I have served beside many fine Muslim Soldiers. Muslim Soldiers who have sacrificed just as much as any other Soldier in the war on terrorism. Are they all the antichrist too?
And what does being Muslim have to do with being the antichrist anyhow? I’m not a biblical scholar or anything, but I have watched a few History Channel specials on the end of the world, and they are pretty clear about the fact that the antichrist is a white dude in a business suit. Geez people.
February 20, 2008 at 1:57 am
Iain MacKinnon
February 17, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Ummmmm, guys….. All this might be relevant if Barack Obama were in fact a Muslim. He isn’t. I think we need to get over that one…
Ika Natassa
February 18, 2008 at 12:33 am
paul, seriously? i’m a woman and i’m a muslim, and again, NOTHING is forced upon anyone. so get over yourself.
If people want to continue to live in denial, and ignore the reality of what is really happening in the Muslim world, just because some one said differently, then so be it. The rest of us will continue to do are own research, use our own brain, and draw our own conclusions, instead of buying into the propaganda. It is easy to live in a bubble of isolation, and ignore the warning signs, when it isn’t directly affecting you personally. It is more difficult to see through the deception and spot the Rat. Speaking of rats, most people have heard about how bad trans fats(Trans fats are made from partially hydrogenated oils)are for you. Companies have realized that people won’t buy products with trans fats any more, so they have had their scientists re-engineer the food they sell. The scientists now put the oil through such an intense process, that the oils are rancid by the time they are done, and the Margarine that they make from it is smelly and Grey. It is called Interesterified fat(and it may be worse for you than trans fats). They then bleach it and fill it with additives so that it is creamy yellow and sweet, so that humans will believe it is good, and they will eat it. The Rat, however, smells it, recognizes the truth of its’ content, and is smart enough to walk away from it.
We Humans will eat the rancid Margarine, believing the claims of its goodness. We also are quick to believe the claims of those we don’t even know, as long as the promises, are creamy and sweet, even if it means denying the truth.
February 21, 2008 at 2:49 am
Look people, we should not worry about a thing like Obama. Where is your Faith? Our God is in control. Obama may be the antichrist from a lot of stuff I have read and see. But it does not bother me. I put my trust in God as you should. I see things like, If Obama is the Antichrist, then things will happen according to the word. Yes the Mayan Calendar ends in 20012, yes Nostradamus last Prophesy states that the Antichrist name is Mabus. which if you take Obama succeeding bush put it together Obamabush. take off the OB from Obama and the H from bush you have Mabus. and Yes Obama’s right hand man is named Ray Mabus. and the fact that the bible says that the Antichrist will make peace in the middle east which is something Obama himself said he would like to do, and the fact that if all this adds up yes Obama would rule from 2009 to 2012. It does not bother me. Yes I too think all the facts add up here, I believe Obama is the Antichrist. But don’t let it bother you. I would not vote for him because he refuses to pledge allegiance to the American flag, and he will not put his hand on a Holy Bible but will do so to the Karon. I can’t see a man being president of the USA if he won’t acknowledge the flag. yes all the facts add up even the ones that say he will be from the middle east.
February 25, 2008 at 3:47 am
jessimonster said:
“As a Christian who loves Jesus and wants to shake his totally awesome hand as soon as humanly possible, I will be first in line to vote for Obama, just in case he really is the antichrist.”
The Bible says not to resist evil, but to turn the other cheek - even if you were trying to say Christians are stupid, that doesn’t even attempt to touch the arguments for Obama as the antichrist.
But liberals tend to be stupid. They take all the reasons one at a time, instead of looking at them in context.
Or, you can just call a liberal what they are - a liar and false accuser.
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February 27, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Well, I have to say that I agree with you on this one. I myself am a Christian, and no, I do not agree with Obama, or the fact that his middle name is Hussein, and it rhymes with Osama, but I’m sure that’s all disregarded by this nation (Who was attacked by Hussein and Osama!! Go figure) by simply saying that it’s a coincidence, and/or just a name, and it holds no meaning. Anyway. On to what I was trying to say. It astounds me that somebody else claiming to be a Christian would want to kill another human. Sin is Sin, no matter which way you justify it to yourself. Obama may be the AntiChrist, (I have my opinions, but nothing is concrete yet, as there is not enough proof to convince me fully) or he may not be, but either way, there’s no way in my mind that I could justify anyone killing him. Especially not because “God told me to do it”. Robin, if you want to know why you feel like killing this man, or wish that somebody would, it’s because of Satan. He’s deceiving you into thinking, “Yeah, he’s evil, kill him, I am the voice of God and I say do it!” That’s almost as insane as those psychos that go around killing in the name of God, claiming that people are demons. If you read your Bible enough, and pray just a little bit, you’ll notice that Jesus never killed a man that was possessed or oppressed, he cast the demons out.
To all of you who are voting for Obama though, let me express to you that it makes no sense whatsoever in my mind why we would elect somebody with his history into office. Even if he went to the school for terrorists for only a few years, and was only a muslim for a small time, and his name is just a coincidence, should we as Americans be taking that sort of chance? I’m sure that no one would have elected Bin Laden president if he came to you and said, “Hey, I know, I’ve got things in my past that are bad, but I’m going to Change America!” Whatever is going to happen is going to happen, and me being one person can’t change it. All I can do is vote. Just know that if you vote for Obama, and he leads to the downfall of this country, that you were warned. If he doesn’t and his “Changes” actually improve things, I guess my opinion was wrong.
February 27, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Forgive the pen name in the above comment, as I thought it was funny in the past, and used it all across the blogosphere, so now my browser automatically fills in the name field, and I didn’t think to change it. I stated that I’m a Christian. Well that change wasn’t made until about 3-4 weeks ago, so there’s still some online things that I need to change, I.E. the pen name.
Also, I wanted to state that pointing out what could have possibly have been a typo doesn’t disprove a persons knowledge of the Bible, as you stated. When I read that part I was like, “What? I know tons of people that refer to the book as Revelations (with an S) because more than one thing is revealed” Adding a letter doesn’t discount anything, and it’s rather funny that was all that you could come up with.
February 28, 2008 at 2:00 am
I believe Obama is the Antichrist….
it was reported an old lady was sleeping, she leaves her television on at night, all of a sudden Obama appears and she says, “The Antichrist” then falls back to sleep.
I have read numerous stories, he does fit the Antichrist in the Bible… yes he does 100%.
We should have seen this coming…
The year 2012 does all add up…
Prophecy is about to begin more than before, I encourage and think we all need to be prepared. I wouldn’t vote for Obama if a gun was pointed up to my head. His name has 18 letters, well 6+6+6=18, have wisdom… count the number of the beast…
I’m very serious…
A lady was washing her dishes and she seen Obama on TV… she dropped the dish and knew right away he was the Antichrist, it is scary, but God has this in his will… it must be done.
I hope we are wrong, but I don’t think so…
it would not surprise me if people start calling him “Christ” soon…
There are omens too if anyone has taken notice, look at the weather in Chicago, Tornadoes, lightening struck a statue in south America of Jesus as Obama won delegates, the eclipse, moon was red shadowing, people can make fun all they want, but everyone will see…
God Bless!
February 28, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Small minded religious idiots! I never thought how low brow and really dumb some people could be but after reading some of the comments here, I do think America deserves John McCain as President. I mean, he would only get you into a war that would never end and probably will bring about the apocalyptic Rapture we all know about. I’m a Catholic so I know the bible too. I just find it extremely strange that people do not think the war in Iraq was and all the actions of the Bush administration is an ‘evil’ act. While Obama man who talks of hope and has charisma is suddenly the anti-Christ. I wonder if it’s reversed and John McCain happens to possess the ‘it’ factor, would be he considered the anti-Christ too? I think not. It’s the double standard again.
February 28, 2008 at 5:03 pm
More people suffered under the Bush admin but he’s not being called an antichrist!!
February 29, 2008 at 2:58 pm
If he is not the antichrist himself, he is a facilitator and false prophet. How else can anyone explain his meteoric rise in the world in politics? His ability to raise money almost at will? His persuasive powers to move crowds with his oratory? With his muslim background, and powers of persuasion, as president of the US he will be able to persuade both the Islamist, Jews and Christians into a false sense of peace. Be aware, the antichrist is out there amongst us. He cannot be stopped as his time is near. Biometrics is here, thus it would be easy to have people take on the number of the beast. There is time. 2012, as identified by the Mayans, native American, the I-ching, Mother Goodwin and others is not the end. It is the beginning. Once the natural catastrophies that 2012 will bring, it will be a formality to establish a single world government, to establish a single world monetary system, and to identify everyone as foe or enemy with biometrics. Repent! Warn others to be on guard, especially family members who may not want to hear this message. Above all pray for Christian believers everywhere!
March 2, 2008 at 12:31 am
how can you explain obama? He is rising to power quickly!! Now what is the country that any man in his right mind would use to take over the world? You guessed it the one that puts a nuc up your ass!!! (WELCOME TO AMERICA) boys and girls! it does say that he will have decent from the midlle east hmmmm??? BUT no desire for women! we wont know! iits a game . So mayan calendar is bullshit we know this. The bible states that there will be a seven year tribulation after the peace treatie is sighned with Isreal. This markes the seven year tribulation.So the mayans predicted that the last generation of man was 2012 if the wrapture happened now there would still be seven years left. Not only were they not christian they were just a part of satans trick . pay no attention to any history involving non christianity
March 4, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Barack Obama spells trouble for the United States. He’s a man that recently stated he made a mistake standing up for Terri Schindler Schiavo’s family prior to her death, and a man who just as openly stated that full grown babies should be left to die after they are born alive following an abortion. These are clues that you might want to educate yourself further on this “culture of death” candidate. Chances are he’d rather see you dead, too, if you are not healthy enough to pull your own load.
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March 18, 2008 at 7:17 am
This is so silly. Everyone knows that we Southern Republican Christians call Obama the Anti-Christ because he had an African father, and of course we love to torture people with dark skin. It’s what we live for … well, that and hoping to join Cheney eating Bush devil poop.
March 18, 2008 at 8:41 am
What you talkin’ bout, Bush devil poop! Everyone knows us born-again-ers love nothing better than watching Cheney regurgitate the carcasses of little baby harp seals and little baby lawyers after he clubs them all!
May 20, 2008 at 7:16 pm
http://rffm.typepad.com/republicans_for_fair_medi/2008/02/obama-the-antic.html
’nuff said? This is just the tip of the iceberg…
May 24, 2008 at 11:43 pm
To Seth: **snorts** Are you serious? Go back to school. Or drink the cool-aid. Whatever you do stop spouting support for fringe-group loonies.
May 29, 2008 at 6:58 pm
I am a jewish woman who came to know Jesus Christ as my personal savior. I was troubled one morning about what the rabbi of my congregation had said to me as him and I were talking over the internet about how he thought Obama was the Anti-Christ. He asked me to do the research for him this summer due to the fact of him teaching my children hebrew, and to keep this between us. With great interest of the subject I humbly accepted the assinment. What I have found to be troubling down right shocked me with the number of people who also are thinking the same thing. I still have a tremendous amount of research to do on this man. I am merely looking at the percentage of people who think he fits the bill. I have been comparing biblical prophecies to other text I have been coming across via the internet, and I am amazed and astounded on all the information I have come across. I want to put this on the internet for others to also compare, and come to their own conclusion. Please give me some time to put everything together. Stop being so mean to one another about this. This is not what Jesus taught. Be at peace because we will finally be by Jesus’s side with no more death, pain, sorrow, or tears. He will wipe all those things away, so I don’t understand why everyone is so afraid. I truely and wholeheartedly believe that Obama is the Anti-Christ, but I am not afraid to be ridiculed for my beliefs. My people have died for being who they are as others have also. Pray for those who don’t know Christ that they do come to know him instead of calling one another names and being down right hateful. Regardles of Obama being tagged as the Anti-Christ don’t ever wish death upon those wich God has placed in a position to fulfill his will. It is Gods will and not ours that is important, and instead of making racist, hateful, and wishing death upon someone comments we need to pray for the things that we feel are the most important in our lives and for the salvation of others. I will pray that those of you who are against one another will open your eyes to one another and atleast apologize. Everyone is entitled to their opinions yes, but not at the expense of others or to ridicule or spread a message of hate to one another. Jesus taught many messages, but the most important was that of love. As a matter of fact that was a commandment that he gave-V’ah-hav-ta l’ray-ah-cha ka-moe-cha. “And you should love your neighboor as yourself “. So with that being all I need to say I leave you with these blessings: Numbers 6:24-26. Y’va-reh-ch ‘ cha Adonai v’yeesh-m ‘reh-cha; Ya-air Adonai pa-nahv ay-leh-cha vee-choo-neh-cha; Yee-sa Adonai pa-nahv ay-leh-cha v ‘ya-same l’cha Shalom. Meaning:The Lord bless you and keep you; The Lord make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; The lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.
SHALOM AHLAYCHEM!!!!! PEACE BE UNTO YOU!!!! Thank you for allowing me to tell you my story, and express my beliefs. As some of you may not hold the same beliefs as I hold, my prayers still go to you that God does bless you in every aspect of your life. Just for the record I do not hate any Muslims. My best friend who was Jewish converted to Islam, because she was married to someone from Pakistan, and has children by him who practice Islam. Her children are very dear to my family. We take her children to the synagog with us on Friday night and saturday morning, and she takes our children to the mosque with her. We both decided to teach our children about each others beliefs, that it is not bad to be a Muslim or a Jew, and most importantly that we are all able to get along and love one another. It’s the persons heart that matters, and not the religion that they practice that make a person. I wish you all the best in your research, and like I said when I am done with mine I will put it together. Until then if you would like to contact me do so at bluedawnlilbluedawnlil@yahoo.com. If you are sending hateful messages (like death threats, and that sort of thing) I will report you to the proper authorities, and contact my attorney to see you are prosecuted to the fullest extent. Just warning you. Other than that may God bless you, and keep in touch with me. Hadassa.
May 31, 2008 at 4:15 am
you published something and now you defend? explain all you want i am not a christian or a rasist but the antichrist is obama so smile tolerate and get ready for the crazy or not christians to have another end of the world party every one is the antichrist if you think about it every one sins right? and all have come short of the glory of god so if you take the “if you are not for me your against me ” and think … while we are sinning before you are asking for forgiveness are you not an anti christ christ never sinned so when you are sinning you are opposite of christ. “antichrist!!!” i love all people gay black muslim all people and if you want to think that is wrong then dont belive in loving your neighbor keeep on fakin it hippocrits please feel free to make fun of my mis punctuation
June 4, 2008 at 5:54 am
First let me say this: In the bible, ALL bibles, it says that “no man” will know the time, or place. It also mentions matter-of-factly that no man will know who the Antichrist will be. This is how it is. Now, that doesn’t mean we as a people, or a world, if you wish, cannot try and figure it out. Why would we? Simple. Because it would be the answer to the oldest, most profound mystery known to man. And we all know how we love a good puzzle. So is Obama the Anti-Christ? I do not know. And anyone who says they Do know, are lying. Period. Bible says so. Also, if in fact he is the one Prophesied in the good book in multiple places, not just Revelation/s (The spelling depends on the bible type, I.E. King James, New International Student Version..etc.) then we have a lot to look forward to do we not?
Think about it. Depending on your point of view of course, The Attack on Israel from the East and the North (Iran and Russia maybe? Hmmm, food for thought. Look up what Iran’s notorious bad guy has been spouting off with of late.) that God himself will stop, by knocking them “out of the air” and swallowing men by the thousands in a “fire from heaven.” This will occur BEFORE the rapture according to MY bible and pov.(Point of View)Your pov is your own to worry about.
So, lets start by analyzing Obama, shall we? But in order to do that, we must know what the good book says about the AC. (Anti-Christ-ok so I’m too lazy to type it over and over and over…so what :P)
Someone above said Muslim decent. This is not entirely correct. it is, but then it will be as such not from the Mediterranean or the Middle East. It has long since been believed that the AC will come out of a Unified Europe, which the bible calls the “New Roman Empire.” Now lets see…Europe has been united now for some time…well, sorta.
Does this mean that alone eliminates Obama as the AC? No. And I will tell you why. He has a rather extensive education and background. Not all of it from here. Two. The bible refers to him coming out of New Rome, that could be argued to mean a bloodline or family line as with the Old Testament, just look up Abraham..
June 4, 2008 at 5:54 am
“He will have a seemingly godly appeal, as if he were Christ himself’-(Paraphrasing) And as we all have seen, he has had a huge impact on millions of people. Ok so we know he is popular. Does that mean he is the AC? Nope. Not quite there yet.
First, he is black, with a tad of white and muslim origin. Hmmm. Not a racist mind you, but since the bible deals in symbolism, so shall I.
Black, white, Muslim? hmmm. The three biggest cultures in the world, or should I say the loudest. So right there he would be “unifying” those three races. Hmm no small feat. Tongue of Negotiations? Indeed.
Now people rant and rave about his 20 yr history in the Trinity church. A black church. But, if you look at it logically, he HAD to have come from a similar church if he was the AC. Why? Because to the eye of man, he would need to know, understand, have been around, and seen for himself racism at its worst. Is his church racist? I do not know for sure, and I will not stipulate. However, it makes sense that the AC would come from a place such as that. How else would he know how to unify the two biggest and loudest cultures in the USA? Latino’s not with standing, they are not as vocal.
With that said, he claims to have received Christ, and accepted him in that Church. Is that possible? Yep. But if he did that why would we think him the AC? Hmm not an easy question to answer, and I had to dig for one.
When a believer falls away from God, he is referred to as “back-slidden” However, and for the life of me I cannot recall the scripture, but, there is a passage that refers to a back slider who has gone so far away from God into wickedness, and evil that God passes judgement on him or her, turning their mind reprobate. But in order to fully understand my line of thought here, as it is somewhat astronomical, I.E. Stretching it a bit, here is a quote from a website that says it perfectly.
June 4, 2008 at 5:54 am
“…Let’s look at the word reprobate for just a moment. A primary meaning of reprobate is “rejected.” Webster’s 1828 dictionary defines it as “not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.” This is also a Bible definition found in the verse you quoted:
Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them. Jeremiah 6:30
Silver that was unable to be refined was considered worthless, i.e., reprobate, and was to be rejected. Because of Israel’s refusal to get right with God, they are compared to reprobate silver because God had rejected them.
But rejection is only part of the definition. In Romans 1:28, we read of those who “God gave …over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.” Here, the meaning is not only of rejection but abandonment. These people had gone so far in sin, “they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,” and so God gave them what they wanted. They did not want God, righteousness, holiness, cleanness, or purity, so God “gave them over.” These people are reprobate because of their hatred toward God…”
Passage 2 continues with:
“…ow, the question is, were these people really saved? It would do well to compare the traits of saved people with those of the reprobate. Saved people are new creatures (2 Corinthians 5:17) who have repented of their sinful life (1 Thessalonians 1:9) and who bring forth the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22, 23). Their attitudes toward God, Christ, the Bible, and sin have changed, and this is manifested in their daily lives. They desire to do good works (Ephesians 2:10), love the brethren (1 John 3:14) and to keep themselves unspotted from the world (James 1:27). Oh sure, saved people fall short, but they will confess their sins (1 John 1:9) to maintain fellowship with God.
The reprobate on the other hand wants no real knowledge of God (Romans 1:28). Instead of living holy and bringing forth good works, their lifestyle is manifestly different from the saint. Paul says they are “… filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful” (Romans 1:29-31). Could it be said that a saved person, washed in the blood of Christ, was a hater of God? Do the saints invent evil things? Reprobates are without understanding, yet John tells the saints concerning false prophets, “ye need not that any man teach you” (1 John 2:27). Paul goes on to say that these people know full well the judgment of God upon those who do these things, yet they continue to do them. Further, they not only blatantly sin against God, but “they have pleasure in them that do them” (Romans 1:32). No, there is a great gulf fixed between the reprobate and the child of God…”
And the long end of the short stick is this point:
“…Those who continue in the word of Christ (i.e., those who are truly converted to God through repentance and faith) are Christ’s disciples indeed; therefore, those who do not continue in his word are not his disciples. This means that a great number of people who have made an intellectual or emotional “decision” and finally fall away were never truly born again…”
(Excerpts from- http://www.learnthebible.org/q_a_reprobate_mind.htm)
June 4, 2008 at 5:55 am
Ok so this here says just because he says he is, does not mean he is, or ever was. Hmmm. Why would he go to church if not a believer? If he hated God, why would he attend a church? Politics. Education. Planning. All of those things the AC himself would need to do to prepare for the last days the bible calls the Tribulation. And just so we are all clear on who and what the AC is read this bit of info from online.
June 4, 2008 at 5:56 am
“What is the Antichrist?
The American Heritage Dictionary defines “Antichrist” as “the great antagonist who was expected by the early Church to set himself up against Christ in the last days before the Second Coming.” While Biblical in origin, the exact details as to the nature, identity, and chronological placement of the figure known as “Antichrist” have been the subject of endless speculation throughout history, partially due to the highly symbolic language of the scriptures in which it is mentioned, and partially due to sectarian differences in interpretation.
June 4, 2008 at 5:56 am
Generally speaking, those who expect the Antichrist to literally appear in human form believe he will come to power as a world leader through deception and trickery, “by peace shall destroy many,” and will succumb to the superior might of Jesus Christ and the forces of righteousness at final battle of Armageddon.
June 4, 2008 at 5:57 am
Ok so now we have an idea. Lets put some more thought into it shall we? And if your not intrigued by now, or do not really care about this subject, odds are good you stopped reading after the first paragraph. Lord knows why I am typing this, so here we go.
Obama represents a link between the “big three” cultures. This is by no means me leaving out any other culture. Not at all. It just happens that the “big three” get 90% of the media attention.
So, the bible says that the AC will establish world peace. If you do the math literally, it works out to three and a half years. With all of the major prophecy trimmings, I.E. Earthquakes, judgements, tornadoes, hurricanes, war, rumors of war, famines, water shortages….uh oh. Wait a sec. Minus the judgements, all of these things are now occurring. Just watch the news for ONE day. CNN, Fox, MSNBC, whatever. The bible refers to these things as the “beginning of sorrows.”
They will occur prior to the AC’s ascent to power.
June 4, 2008 at 5:57 am
nce in power he must show a sign of that power and strength. How will he do this? Well, if you watched or read the Left Behind series, you know he shot two men and then lied about it and even the eye witnesses heard and saw only what he said for them to see. Hmm, Scary when you think of what might happen in REAL LIFE.
Ok so he makes girls faint, wet their pants and literally fall over themselves to touch his hand…Hmm sounds a bit like Elvis to me…But seriously, if he can manage to unite the big three, and the bible says he will, then the other nations will bow to him as he establishes a one world order through a one world religious policy and monetary system. Without these two items in play, a one world Government is not possible. We are so close to the one world money system now it is scary. So how many credit cards do YOU have? I have none. Lol.
Anyone know what a “V” Chip is? I suggest you look it up.
June 4, 2008 at 5:58 am
Why would the other nations, like North Korea, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Africa and the like bow to the AC? Because he will establish HIS Kingdom by making ten kingdoms, and having each kingdom will be a one man ruler, a king in their own right, but will bow and answer only to the AC.
Has anyone else noticed how evil has become good, and good has become evil? Better yet, has anyone seen or heard Obama’s speech at Wesley College? Oh yes, in case you cannot find the article or video on Obama at Wesley he said the only true way to salvation for ANY one single person, man, woman or child, was to have a collective salvation. Meaning, one world, one goal, one unified people. No countries. No state lines. Nope. Hmm, I think he forgot to mention the Christ is THE way THE truth, and THE life. Not “A” way.
June 4, 2008 at 5:59 am
He replaced Ted Kennedy. Poor Ted, and now, poor Mr. KKK Byrd, hmm I wonder who of the old guard will be removed from power next? He must make way for the young and new, because the young and new do what they’re told and do not question so much. And they are easier to lie to. Ted’s politics and mine are vastly different. But who in the hell ever hear of Brain cancer springing up in 32 hours?
Especially the size of the melanoma itself..ouch.
June 4, 2008 at 6:00 am
Anyway, so how will the AC establish a one world religion and money system that will lead him to “his time” of rule? Lets see. You give anyone enough money and power and they will do whatever you say. Hmmm a new pope? Anyone hear how the new pope ordered that 999 dolls of his likeness be made two days after he was sworn in? No? I heard it one time on the news. Good luck looking it up, I cannot find it now.
In order for the AC to gain his power, he must first deal with Israel with a 7 year pact of “peace.” In order to do that he must find and rebuild Solomon’s temple. All of this is possible, and since Saddam started rebuilding Babylon in the early 90’s…hmmm…
So the question remains. Is Obama the AC? Millions flock to hear and see him. He is being portrayed as humble, which the bible says he will be, it also says he will appear to man to be “Christ-Like.” Oh and one final after thought for you Sci-Fi geeks out there.
June 4, 2008 at 6:00 am
The bible says the AC will be assissinated by a VERY sharp knife or dagger or short sword depending on your version. And he will come back to life, but it will no longer be the man who was in power it will be Satan himself. But we all know that the human body cannot withstand a blow of such a weapon just beneath our skulls at the top of our neck, which is where the bible says it will hit him. So for you X-Files peeps and Star Trek, Star Wars guys and gals…could he come back as a Clone? Hmmm…stranger things have happened..
Me, Myself, and I.
And All three of us Believe in Christ and that he came to earth and Died for all of us and our sins so we would have everlasting life, and not have to die. Because he loved us so much he sent his only son to die for us.
And if you need one other thing, remember this: If your a believer, then what will be will be. God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of love and a sound mind.
June 12, 2008 at 6:13 pm
wow. after reading this i hate people just a little more. what the hell is wrong with “christians” i have read the bible several times over. it never describes the anti christ as obama or anyone else. by the same logic barrack also meets the discription of a man that has robbed numerous liquor stores all over the country. and even if he were the antichrist, if you believe the bible you should rejoice. that means that your time is done here and you can leave. please leave. do us a favor if the rapture doesnt take you soon, just go ahead with the grape kool-aid. one suggestion if you want to slander someone, at least do your research and stop spreading ignorance.
June 15, 2008 at 3:10 am
Hmm, hate people? A bit strong. Oh, and you should know, I have been researching the Antichrist for years now. Many years. I never actually said that “he” was Obama. The bible says that no man knows the day, or time, as well, as no man will know the Antichrist, but will be able to ID him by his works. I was making a comparative argument. If he is, he is. If not ..then no problem, no foul. And I have Done my research, and had you actually read the bible, especially the end times prophecies, you would not have argued what you did in your post.
June 15, 2008 at 3:12 am
Everyone should also be aware that the “healer” that is in the bible prophecy, has made his appearance. The Secondary beast is now in the public eye.
June 21, 2008 at 7:04 pm
YES! THIS IS VERY VERY INTERESTING!
NOT ONLY THAT, BUT YESTERDAY EVENING I SAW
HIM OV T.V. AND HE HAS PUT HIS NAME INSIDE
OF THE PRESIDENTIAL SEAL WITH THE EAGLE SYMBOL!
AND ALSO I READ THAT HE IS GOING TO BE STARTING SOMETHING LIKE A JOSHUA MOVEMENT BECAUSE MOSES DID NOT FINISH TAKING
THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL INTO THE PROMISE LAND,
SO HE (BARACK OBAMA) IS STARTING A JOSHUA
MOVEMENT AND I GUESS BARACK WILL BE JOSHUA! BECAUSE:
JOSHUA CAME AFTER MOSES I THNK TO FINISH TAKING THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL INTO THE PROMISE LAND!
YES! BARACK OBAMA! I CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH HIM!
HE IS ALREADY EXALTING HIMSELF OR MAGNIFYING HISELF TO TRY TO BE GOD ALREADY!
AND HAS NOT EVEN WON THE ELECTION YET!
SO JUST IMAGINE WHAT HE WILL DO IF OR AFTER
HE WINS THE ELECTION!
HE MIGHT RE-WRITE THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION
AND DO AWAY WITH ALL CHRISTIANITY AND REPLACE
CHRISTIANITY WITH THE ISLAM RELIGION!
GOD HELP US ALL PLEASE!!
BECAUSE GOD IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS BIG ENOUGH,
BAD ENOUGH, BOLD ENOUGH & BOSSY ENOUGH
TO SAVE US FROMT HIS TERRIBLE BEAST NAMED
BARACK OBAMA!
SO WE MUST FIND GOD, RECEIVE GOD, GET WITH GOD, STAY WITH GOD, KEEP GOD & STICK WITH GOD!
BECAUSE THIS BEAST/ANTI-CHRIST (BARACK OBAMA) WILL BE TRUELY DEADLY AND LETHAL!
June 21, 2008 at 7:15 pm
to respond to the above any questains on end times contact
mister truthful
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June 27, 2008 at 6:55 pm
He is the Anti-Christ and no good Christian should be afraid. Only those who don’t believe in the Word should be afraid because when the times of tribulations begin only those who accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior will be Saved.
Be afraid if your heart is not pure, because you will suffer during the tribulations.
Pray and wait for the Lord to take you to His side because the Judgment is near but you will not be harmed by the Anti-Christ if Jesus is really your Savior.
June 29, 2008 at 3:24 am
The following statements and obviously farfetched drawn conclusions are based on the prophecy of Revelation. I think it adds up quite well and has me pretty shocked and scared for that matter.
1 - He will come as a man of Peace (Obama promises peace in Iraq, defeat for the US)
2 - He will come mounted on a white Female horse (Obama’s mother is white who had 6 African husbands)
3 - He will come to deceive (Obama says he’s a Christian but in fact he was raised in a Muslim culture.
4 - He will make himself the most powerful man on earth, if elected.
5 - He will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel (Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. admires Hitler, Osama etc)
6 - He will present himself as good and righteous but in fact he’s Satan himself. Violence is in his heart
7 - Obama will help Al Qaida in its evil projects.
8 - Barack Hussein Obama is the “King of the South” predicted in the Bible. (Daniel 11, Kenya is south of Jerusalem)
9 - Obama comes to implant Muslim Sharia Law upon America.
10 - Obama is trying to pull religions together like a one world religion deal!
June 29, 2008 at 9:08 pm
OK… One by one.
1. Ghandi was a man of peace. Was he the antichrist too? Martin Luther King? How about him?
2. He’s going to ride into Washington mounted on his mother? That’ll be interesting to see.
3. Sadhu Sundar Singh was raised as a Hindu. Are you saying he wasn’t a christian?
4. He will not make himself the most powerful man on earth. The people who vote for him will. Anyway, who says the president is the most powerful man on earth?
5. Give us all the direct quote where he stated he admires Hitler and Bin Laden. Please.
6. How can he possibly BE Satan himself? Satan is a created spiritual being who does not have the capacity to become incarnate.
7. Do tell us all how he’s going to help Al Qaeda. How can he help them any more than Bush did by giving them every excuse imaginable to attack the West?
8. Zimbabwe is south of Jerusalem too. Could Mugabe not be the King of the South? Heck, so is Australia! Why not Kevin Rudd??
9. Why would a christian implant Sharia Law? Especially a politically and religiously liberal one?
10. How exactly is he pulling religions together into one? I see absolutely no evidence of this.
These ideas have been bandied around in here for months now and they are all frankly preposterous. I am getting sick of the pyjamahadin writing nonsense on my page.
People, go and read your Bible and do what it says. Leave the ‘Left Behind’ books on the shelf for a while. You might find it more spiritually beneficial. In any case, there are a million more useful and productive things you could be doing for the Kingdom than sitting around calling dates and times, making graphs and charts, and declaring every couple of years who the new ‘antichrist’ is.
Spread the news about Jesus. Remember that? The Gospel? Care for people. Worship God. Live for him and let HIM take care of the end of all things.
Are you still here? GO!!
June 29, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Yeah thanks for the reply. I didn’t need someone to call me out like I knew they would that’s why i included my little disclaimer at the beginning.
When you call out each example one by one, it ruins the entire jist of what I’m trying to get at. Obama falls under all ten. Not one person under each like you’re saying with your examples.
You took a couple of things way out of context. All the statements build upon each other.
Revelation tells us that the antichrist will come as a man of peace, politics, people will like him and like the change that he is bringing upon people. Scripture tells us that the antichrist will be a man from Muslim descent. And he will deceive us! Think of all the problems Obama has had through the church.
Obama really has no stand for anything but what the majority of people think is popular.
But i do agree with your last statement. We shouldn’t be worrying about stuff like this that we can’t control. We just need to follow Jesus and spread the word and not worry about these issues. I just can’t help but look past this and i want to be aware so i don’t get deceived and follow the wrong people.
June 29, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Sorry, dude. I didn’t pick up on your intention from the first couple of lines of your comment. The fact is that pretty much all of those allegations could be levelled at every politician since time began. They ALL aim for popularity. It’s the nature of the beast (pardon the pun!).
However, I fail to see how scripture can state ‘the antichrist’ will be of Muslim descent when Islam didn’t come into being until the 7th century AD. The Bible mentions nothing of the sort. It requires some wild interpretations of Daniel 11 to come to that conclusion.
The simple fact is that the Bible does teach that there are many antichrists; and anyone who denies Jesus was the Christ is one of them, be they Muslim, Hindu, Agnostic, Atheist or Nominal Christian. Our job is to ensure that as many of them as possible are told about the Gospel. And to love them, care for them and show them the love of God through our actions and behaviour. Debating eschatology helps nobody, least of all them.
And here I am doing just that. Argh!
This has to stop.
June 30, 2008 at 8:23 pm
“This has to stop.”
And yet, alas, it probably won’t…
July 1, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Brack Obama is the anti-christ,remember that picture of him in the red robe and white turban Hillary’s people put out, revelation 19:II-16 He was clothed in a robe dipped in blood.
Also if you look at his signature closely you will find 3 sixes, If you take his daughters name and spell the first 5 letters backwards you get satan.There are about 2,000 fires in California right now, is it a coincidece they came less than a week after gay marriage was legalized. Obama has said Islam is a peaceful religon,lets look at what some of the koran actually says:
Surah 9:30-
The jews call ‘Uzair a son of allah,and the christians call christ the son of allah… allah’s curse be on them:how they are deluded away from the truth!
Not only does the koran deny christ’s deity- but also, as we see in the verse from the koran above,it also puts a curse on all who confess jesus christ as the son of god.Islam brings jesus christ lower than mohammed,making him no more than a messanger. for more info read “Jerusalem Countdown”-over 1 million copies sold
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